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John Nowobilski

pgatall@aol.com


Aug 24, 07 - 8:20 AM 		Slow play response

Dear Tallwood Members. I just had the opportunity to read some of the emails on the pace of play during the Two Ball Open. I know the pace of play has been a touchy subject all year long. Firstly, the Bill Nealon: Don't leave. Back in the mid 70's there was a phrase, America... Love it or Leave. Another one came out not long after, " America, Love it AND stay to make it better." I dont think anyone hates Tallwood. I am not agreeing with slow play, but you cannot compare the play at other courses because we are playing tournaments each week and they do not. Nobody has a tournament schedule like the Tallwood Mens Club. That in itself may add a few minutes. But that has to be made up by just common sense. If you have a bad hole and lose time, then just play the next hole a little quicker to catch the group in front of you. One doesnt have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. Always have another ball in your pocket in case of an offline shot so that your provisional is right there. Make sure you look ONLY 5 minutes. Have one player help you look while the other two hit and then exchange. If you have the honor and are not ready to hit, allow someone else to tee off. Bring three clubs with you to your ball, so that even if you have the wrong club you have two others. I could go on and on. But it isnt that difficult.
I am also strongly in favor of a warning followed by a group being timed ( liked the tour ) and if they do not make up the time, the whole group in penalized two shots which is added to their scores for the day.
I am asking everyone to send me either by email ( pgatall@aol.com ) or dropped off one situation you have seen that contributes to slow play at Tallwood. DO NOT use names, but things that you have experienced in your group or in front of you." Quoting Bobby Kennedy, " Some see things as they are and say why? I dreams things that never were and say why not ? "
We can do this... but do not leave. John Nowobilski PGA Professional
Jim Marien



Aug 28th, 2007 - 4:38 AM 		Re: Slow play response

My own humble opinion : Trying to set up a system where members are assessed a 2-stroke penalty for slow play may simply alienate more members at Tallwood rather than being a solution. It would also cause a lot of hard feelings amongst the members against the person who caused the slow play. Who would enforce the penalty ? Would there be a couple of rangers on each nine or would the front desk assess the penalty ? Could you imagine a guy who comes in after the final Club Championship round, having won by one stroke, finding out he actually didn't win due to a 2-stroke penalty ?

I would rather see a monetary penalty for slow play. For each "slow play letter" you receive a member is assessed a monetary penalty. It could be a set fee per letter or a gradual monetary penalty, for instance, $10 for the first letter, $20 for the 2nd letter, etc. I believe that hitting people in the pocket book would be more effective than a 2-stroke penalty. The 2-stroke penalty would be meaningless if you know you're not going to be in the money anyway no matter how fast you play.
Dave Anderson



Aug 28th, 2007 - 4:52 AM 		Re: Slow play response

Here's my input on the slow play based on 20+ years as a member at Manchester Country Club. The slow play policy at MCC consists of a "3 letter max." warning, after the third slow play letter, you had to play at the "back of the pack" (11:30am approx.) the next time you were to play on a weekend. The pro would use a time clock and punch your card after the last person hit off the first tee, after completion of your round the card would be punched again and your 18 hole time recorded by the pro shop staff. They were more concerned with with the time it took you to play rather than keeping up with the group in front of you. Should be noted that Manchester plays much faster due to the layout of the course, and the lack of "trouble" you could get into.


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