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Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

Short answer: Yes.

D was far and away the most imported key at first. Well, from what I remember the first accordions to make it to Louisiana were in even higher keys like E and G. These keys obviously didn't mesh very well with singers at the time and fiddle players tended to hate playing behind them. I'd have to venture a guess that 70% of the Sterlings still around today were originally in D, but many were converted to C after the original reeds in them started breaking or Hohner reeds in C became available. The bellows on those old accordions are extremely flimsy and started falling apart after a few years of regular playing so once people like Sidney Brown and John Mrnustik showed up the first thing they usually changed was the bellows, which greatly improved the accordions playability.

Wade Falcon would probably know more about when C became the standard in Cajun music. I do know that the local sellers down here were in communication with B&J up in New York, who was doing the importing, so they most probably got a lot of requests from Cajun musicians asking for a lower key to ease the strain on the singers vocal chords.

John

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

From when did they lower the fiddle two half notes to play more "easily" together with a C-accordion ?

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

It's always been my understanding that cross tuning was accepted in early Cajun music even before accordions showed up, so I'd imagine pretty early on once the C accordion came into the picture.

John

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

Country/hillbilly and bluegrass influences may have come into it too, a lot of that stuffs in G and C.

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

This is very interesting. D would be the natural key to go with the fiddle. The forces that moved the standard to C are probably complex, but have to do with changes in music and also a need to lower the singing voice. Fiddle tuning followed along with it. The fact that much popular music from "english" traditions were in C and G certainly had an influence.
I do know that when playing by myself, I tend to prefer playing my D box, actually playing in the key of A most of the time.

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

JOhn, I prefer many songs, especially 2 steps, in D. When I play in C, they sound a little "bassy" or "gurgley", if you know what I mean.

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

Gurgley...that works for a description. The D box does seem cleaner etc. Of course, I like irish tunes which are most commonly in D or A anyway. At times, I will close the low reeds on my C box. In fact, I think the old players messed with the reed combinations more than we realize. Listen to the "Creole Belles" and you will hear several different accordion "sounds", from low and growling to clear and high. If you have a fairly wet tuned box, closing one of the middle reeds works well also.

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

yall got me convinced that my next box will be a D.

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

HI I have a couple of HA-114's.. C and D box.

Biggest difference between the two is the D box uses much less Air.

Other than that every pretty much the same.. Must be due to the smaller reeds.. I have read the G box is a real air hog. so will never go there.

I also have a 30's old style box in F.. Terrible key.. Very high pitch.

Johnnie

Re: Early '30's accordionists all in D?

Don't throw away, sell or get rid of your C-box, because you're pretty much unhanded on most jam-sessions



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