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Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

I was plagued with sound problems from internal miking (squealing, bad EQ, rumbling sounds) until I used an ART tube preamp as the last step in the signal path, before sending it to main PA. I precede that with a small Behringer mixer that lets me plug in multiple accordions (I use a Larry Miller C and B-flat and am waiting for my first triple row to arrive). The Behringer lets me adjust my own EQ (3 EQ bands), and send to a powered stage monitor. But the ART tube preamp does something to both warm and smooth the sound that nothing else can touch. I previously used a good guitar amp for the accordion but didn't like the result, tried a chorus switch to emulate wet tuning (so-so results), and played through a powered mixer (which is what I saw a lot of zydeco bands using in the 90s). It may be the actual mic cartridge in your C accordion or where it's mounted cause your problem. Larry is often the source for other builder's mic components, but I don't know about the D accordion Jude built for you. ART tube preamp sells for $50 (see provided link). If you try one, please post your experience back here.

Some other things I've noticed: I get different results with different PAs. Whether a small or mid-sized club PA, or a large festival-style PA, I always have to have the sound tech adjust my EQ. It's often too full of high frequencies. When playing through a familiar PA, it takes no time to set EQ levels. I used to play simultaneously with an internal pickup and external clip on AudioTechnica mic, through the Behringer mixer and ART preamp. That gave me as much of the gritty zydeco sound as I wanted to mix in plus superb clarity from the external mic. But I now use only internal for zydeco and only external for Cajun music.

Re: Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

most of the problem is mic placement

i found what works is to point the
mic directly at the treble reeds,
but get it as far away from them as possible.
and in the center of the bellows.

this is not what the builders do.

they will stick them in pointing sideways,
down, over in the corner, you name it.

what you have to do is build a holder from
coathanger wire, so that it ends up
about 3" from the nearest treble
reed block.

you have to make sure the bass reeds don;t
hit it.

then the eq will not need much.

though i do use an LR Baggs parametric di
to cut lows a little, boost mids a little,
and cut treble a little.

you can get by without that if you have to.

Re: Re: Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

also, you have to have just the mic
element, you can;t have the long
body sticking out in the back..

otherwise you can;t get far enough
away from the
treble reeds.


Re: Re: Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

What kind mic you meen.

Re: Re: Re: Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

i use an audio technica that i remove the capsule from

model is discontinued, it was called "brand x".

it sounds good. wasn;t expensive.

larry miller uses those shure whatever they ares,
that the builders seem to like.. shure r-65 i think

i have never liked their sound though.

i even put one in the right place, where it should
sound good, in a friend;s accordion, it still
didn;t sound right


My preferred mic Capsule

I use the capsule from the Audio-Technica DR-VX2
It has a much better frequency response than the Shure R65. And it's cheaper to buy (on sale $30-40)

(But if you want it to sound like an r65, you can just EQ it.)

I like it because it has the mic and transformer all in one small shock mounted package.

And as Larry said, there are many different ways to mount the mic.

Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

Hey Jean-Pierre,
I'm probably "shedding" some credit here, but I think I can give you some what of an answer to your delima . first , I use the same mic cartridge ( Shure R-65 ) that every one else uses, so it's not a matter of different components. the main thing that I see right off, is you're comparing the E/Q mix of a "C" to that of a "D" and that just won't work. The "D" has a lott more mids and highs than the "C". I suspect that you're finding that you have to cut the lows a lot more on the "C" than the "D". this is a common problem that most of us don't think of at first. There are several was to solve this problem, but the key is, you will have to set the E/Q different for each different key accordion that you use in your performance. I know that Chris Miller uses a seperate mixer for his accordions ( he uses 3 or 4 different ones during a normal performance) and sends the final mix signal from that mixer to a single channel on the main PA. I use a Boss G7 E/Q on my accordion. This gives me the "on stage" controle of my E/Q. Once you've used this method a few times, you pretty much know where to adjust the different freq. to get the sound you want, between the "C" and "D" . Hope this helps.

Re: Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

Thanks Jude, I kind of suspected frequency vars between C and D having something to do with it. Both accordions go thru extensive individual pre-gig eq'ing but yours needs minimal adjustement compared to Larry's C.
Thanks all for you input.

Re: Re: Re: E-Q'ing the internally-mic'd box on stage

the difference between larry;s and jude;s
may also be mic placement.

where is the mic, in each one?
where does it point, how close to the reeds?


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