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Re: Re: Further to my last - More questions

The whole story seems to boil down to money period. Now I can understand that because I also have to think about money when I buy things. But after watching this discussion page for quiet a while. Every one wants something cheap but it must play and sound like the more expensive item. Well, it does not work that way. In musical instruments you get what you pay for. For zydeco music the piano accordion is the best. Early musicians like Buckwheat built their music around the piano accordion. So did Clifton Chenier. Younger ones don't want to take the time and money it takes for a good 4 or 5 reed 120 bass piano accordion. Maybe the bass side takes too long to learn as most but not all don't even play the bass side anyway. In MHOP they should be playing the piano accordion and maybe one day they could be as good as Clifton or Buckwheat

Re: Re: Re: Further to my last - More questions

I don't know if it boils down to money, PA's can be had for a
decent price (in the same range as one rows) and are
fairly common. CBA's are hard to find and not played
much by americans. It is much more popular in europe.

I agree Beau is much stronger on the 1 and 3 row,
man I would love to own that 9 switch Gabbie he is
pictured with. His chromatic style is much lighter
and jazzier than his diatonic, but very nice.
I try to make my CBA sound like that pumping
driving 3/1 row rhythem, Keith Frank, but man it is
hard. I can just imagine how difficult that is on
a push pull box.

Yeah the bass side is hard, especially for me.
One of my far away goals, but one I believe I can
achieve is to be able to play solo gigs, as well as
with a full band - best of all worlds.

I wish I could experiment with different tunings.
And find the richest tuning for my chromatic that
would get as close as possible to that great zydeco
sound. I am not really happy with my current
tuning, although it sounds really good,
I think there might be something better out there.
My H reed is really loud and a overbearing when
mixed in with the LMM.

All you PA players how do you have your boxes tuned
- anything special?


Re: Re: Re: Re: Further to my last - More questions

If you go back and do a little research you will see that Clifton Chenier played on some very nice Hohners with the real wet musette sound. Perhaps that is the sound you are looking for. Most would agree that he was the gold Zydeco standard and was pretty much responceable for its popularity back then.

Re:Clifton's Reed set up

Yeah I have seen pictures of him with some Hohners.
I Know CJ Chenier plays a LMMM with a French Mussette
tuning (and accordion) done by Baldoni, I wonder
did his dad prefer the LMMM or LMMH set up.

Re: Re:Clifton's Reed set up

You got me on that one Russ. Perhaps some at Hohner would Know.

Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

As you play a key of "A" harmonica to have the appropriate blues scale notes in the key of E, you can also calculate the bluesiest sounding keys on your triple row. For bluesy tunes, F-Bb-Eb would probably be played on the pull, in C-F-Bb. And also in their relative minor keys of A, D, and G. If you wanted to play in the key of E, you'd want a row on your accordion either in A (like your harmonica) or in C, which would let you play bluesy scales in G and in its relative minor key of E. I'm awaiting arrival of my first triple row, a Baffetti in F-Bb-Eb. I chose that setup partly because it's standard, partly for key variety beyond what I can play on my single-row C and Bb accordions (Bon Tee Cajun!), and to suit vocal range.

Re: Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

Re: Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

your first 3 row should be in f/bflat/eflat
forget harmonica and guitar!

i have heard that panthers can be gotten in this

i have a sofia mari in that key and i love it -
for a chinese, 2 ree-per-note, accordion, it;s the best.
but i wouldn;t pay over 375 for one..


Does anyone know anything about this Yingjie brand for $150?

Here's another 3-row I found on EBay (see link above)... Any thoughts on this brand? $150 with case...?

Re: Does anyone know anything about this Yingjie brand for $150?

it;s not gonna be great

key is gcf

shipping is $50

none of these cheap accordions will have any
1. bass or
2. volume


Re: Re: Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

I agree with Larry -- if you're looking into learning zydeco, an F/Bb/Eb triple row would jumpstart your repertoire. That said, Corey Ledet has a new instructional video out that has an option to review the audio in either F/Bb/Eb or G/C/F. A very cool feature indeed. Corey's video is available now through many retailers, but I got mine from the source: Wilson Savoy at http://www.almenapictures.com/

Bon chance!


Re: Re: Re: Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

F,Bb,Eb is the choice for a first Zydeco box IMHO. EAD is also a good choice because you get the key of E certainly on the middle row pull as well as B and D for Motor Dude Special instead of Eb. That being said, GCF is also very popular. You might try Castiglione in Detroit. They have an extensive web site with many used boxes. I picked up an as new GCF there a couple of years ago. If money is an issue, I have seen pictures of Roland Ledet playing a Panther that is internally miced so you know that it works for Zydeco. As far as instructional material, there is virtually none for Zydeco. The only recent exceptions are Wilson Savoy's DVD's that are brand new. Cory Ledet's is a must have. Once you get his version of Zydeco Bogaloo down in C (FBE) you will learn how to cross the rows to play all kinds of songs and licks. Likewise his version of Bye Bye Catan (AKA Motor Dude Special). I would also get Wilson's Horace Trahan DVD. It is much too short, BUT it has a great version of Zydeco A pas Sale that Horace plays on an FBE box in Ab that is worth the price of admission. Hope this helps.

Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

I bought a Panther under the same circumstances and questions. Playing the triple row for me is quite different than a single row. Google Senor Maestro. This is a useful program for learning scales, cords, etc. on the 3 row. It is set up for Tejano/Tex-Mex, but it's all good. If I ever learn to play, I have my eye on a Baffetti.

How do we get a Panther in F/Bb/Eb?

Wow, there's lots of brain power and insight on this site. Thanks everyone for your two cents' worth. It seems that the Panther is the way to go, but in F/Bb/Eb. I think this would be a good compliment to my existing Acadian & Bon Cajun in C and D.
Although it seems the Panther only come in key of GCF, a few mentioned that it was available in F/Bb/Eb. What's the best way to get that?
Merci beaucoup à tous!

Re: How do we get a Panther in F/Bb/Eb?

i said it, but i don;t really know
may just be a rumor
source may have been talking about chinese
corona II, now that i think about it
they are only about $700


Re: How do we get a Panther in F/Bb/Eb?

All the advice included should help you make a decision but personally I think you would do better with a FA#D# accordion. This would be much better for Zydeco and blues.

Re: Re: How do we get a Panther in F/Bb/Eb?

i know that;s supposed to be cute,
but there is actually a reason why
Bb and Eb 'go with' F, and
A# and D# do not

and there is yet another reason
why, technically, Bb is not the same as A#,
neither is Eb the same thing as D#.

and it;s even more true for diatonic
instruments, than say for the piano,
where they have to compromise and
jam them together on the same key.


Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

Glenn is absolutely correct. 3 reeds or more per note delivers the punch needed for zydeco. I bought the Panther because of a great deal. I will learn on this and add another box to the collection at a later date.

Re: Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

I placed an e-mail to Tina at Savoy Music Center. We'll see soon if we can get a Panther in FBbEb. They carry the Panther there at $365.

Re: Re: Re: What do you think of the Hohner Panther GCF for Zydeco & Blues?

Saw T. Broussard last night. He is playing a GCF Panther with an internal mic. If you closed your eyes you would think it was a 3 or 4 reed Gab, Baffetti etc. He had a killer sound system that he ran it through but to answer everyone'e concern, if you can play, the Panther will do the job. JMHO.

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