You know, the shadows you're talking about? , the ones under the decorative corners ?, well they are spaces , or grooves , machine carved, routored so to speak, usually 2 of them, and they run the "all" length of the side of the frame, so that the flat of the metal hardware never, really has a chance to seat "flat" over the grooves.
Look at your LA made boxes, and you can usually "insert" a piece of paper under them
Now for years I've been advocating for the builders to stops machining the "grooves" the all frames length,like stoping before each corners thus leaving a flat area for the metal corners to seat flat as they should, and some of them have finally been paying attention .
I forgot to mention to J, that the metal washers trough witch you can see 2 screws passing, securing the treble board onto the end plates are way to large, as they probably the same diameter as the LA ones but the board having sharp corners did'nt necessicate in J's case to have the same "pinched" look as the LA counterparts, making up for the rounded corners.
Like I said John, a few discerning tweaks here and there, and J, can fool even a seasonned woodworker like me
IMHO! I always found that those groves cut into the outside frames take away from the look of the fine figured wood that may be used to build the accordion. Especially if you are book matching the wood across the frames all around like John Roger does. Then like Claude says, those corners are just sitting up there with spaces where the groves are. Now I'll bet that if you paid $9000 for an accordion you could really get some fine instrument.
It sure is a nice looking box and probably plays great. In years to come after you have built your tenth box or more, I bet you will look back and notice several things that you improved over time.
When people buy an LA box from an established maker they are tapping into the decades of "Cajun accordion" traditions. It is kind of like real "Amish" products were I live.
You're post was a sure fire way to stir things up a bit! But, a serious querstion. How do you see your accordion as better? Are you talking playabitly, tone, and how do you define all that? Are you talking asthetics? Have you made what you consider improvements, and if so, what are they?
Steve
C'mon, guys, cut the guy some slack.
I don't really think he is trying to knock LA made boxes.
(I think the English phrasing may have been a bit off.)
The point really is that I think we all agree that a skilled craftsman with the right tools and parts can build an excellent box anywhere in the world.
Sparling wine made in Napa using the "Champagne" method can be every bit as good as sparkling wine made in Champagne. (You can't legally call it Champagne), but I think you get the point.
could be a language barrier. to be fair to him, I think he needs a visit to savoy music center at 9 a.m. on saturday when school is in. let him play his box and compare to the LA boxes.
I thought the point in all this was Cajun music. Who cares where the instruments are made. Did anyone care when German boxes were all that were available? Does anyone mind that the fiddles are made worldwide?
Take your blinders OFF!
I agree with what you're saying, always thought it interesting that when instruments are in short supply, you use what you've got. In the old days, that meant German accordions (and fiddles, too). Now you've got some really nice accordions out od La, and there does seem to be a tendency to dismiss anything not made in La. Granted, there's a lot of less than nice boxes out there, but there is no legitimate reason a good cajun style accordion can't be made outside La. Sometimes the highway is scattered with self imposeed speedbumps and potholes. I wasn't busting on the guy, but since the claim was a better accordion, I wanted to give him a chance to say why. Who knows, maybe he's come up with some improvement no one's thought of!
Maybe I'm wrong here, but I think the scope of this board is not just Cajun music, but accordions themselves, a pinch of zydeco and other styles, all played on "Cajun Accordion'. As long as nodody's really trashing anyone, and things stay somewhat focused, it's all good.
Steve
The topic of box quality and origin surfaces quite regularly here ( regardless of country of origin ). You'll find numerous examples of members asking for advice on brands, quality, worth, as well as unsolicited comments on specific brands. A logical consequence is to compare makes and tastes. I think all have benefitted from the discussions, and have read few, if any, cases of trashing or wearing of blinders.