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In from Lynn O'Shea (lynn@nationalalliance.org):



National Alliance of Families

For The Return of America's Missing Servicemen

World War II - Korea - Cold War - Vietnam - Gulf War



Dolores Alfond - 425-881-1499

Lynn O'Shea --- 718-846-4350

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January 18, 2003 Bits N

Pieces



The Pilots' Dead With those words, twelve years ago, then Secretary of

Defense Richard Cheney, and then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Colin Powell declared Michael Scott Speicher dead. With that declaration,

Speicher joined a long line of American Service Personnel, dead men

walking, that stretches back to World War II and beyond. American

Servicemen left behind, in enemy hands, by a government whose account in

haste policy, is designed to give the appearance that no one is left behind.

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Report Says Speicher Moved 18 Times the following is excerpted from a

Washington Times article by Bill Gertz, dated January 10, 2003. "The

Defense Department recently obtained additional intelligence stating that a

missing Navy pilot is alive and being held by the Iraqi government,

according to U.S. officials."



"The intelligence officials believe that the reports refer to Navy Capt.

Michael Scott Speicher, whose status was changed to "missing/captured" by

the Navy in October. The reports, received in November, state that Iraq is

holding a U.S. pilot and has moved the pilot among 18 locations in the

country, according to officials familiar with the documents. The reports

said the pilot was being treated by a doctor. The officials could not say

how reliable the reports are or whether they represent "circular

reporting," new reports based on old intelligence information from the

same source or similar sources. A spokesman of the Defense Intelligence

Agency said that it receives such dispatches several times a year. "We

investigate every single one," the spokesman said, without providing details."



"Cindy Laquidara, a Florida lawyer who represents Capt. Speicher's family,

said in an interview that she recently spoke to an Iraqi defector who

reported seeing a captive U.S. pilot in Iraq. The defector is one of at

least three Iraqis who reported that Baghdad is holding an American pilot

from the 1991 Persian Gulf war. Mrs. Laquidara said she believes the

recent reports are based on the defector's statements. The intelligence

officials said the latest information bolsters earlier reports indicating

that Iraq has been holding an American pilot since the war."



"Disclosure of the additional information on the pilot comes as the U.S.

military continues to send thousands of troops to the Middle East as part

of a buildup of forces for any operation against Iraq. The prisoner-of-war

case has complicated the Bush administration's effort to use the threat of

military force to pressure Baghdad into disarming its chemical, biological

and nuclear weapons."



"The officials said any U.S. military action against Iraq is likely to be

preceded by covert operations to find and rescue Capt. Speicher

inside Iraq, if he is still alive. There also are concerns among some

Pentagon officials that Saddam Hussein might try to exploit the issue of

the missing pilot in a standoff with the United States. Iraq might reveal

that it has the pilot and then threaten to execute him if U.S. forces invade."



"Ms. Laquidara said she had contacted Iraq's ambassador to the

United Nations about Capt. Speicher late last year and was told that

Baghdad is willing to make a "humanitarian gesture," which she interpreted

as meaning that Iraq may turn over the pilot or his remains. "The Iraqis

expressed a willingness to help me get answers to what happened, and where

he or his remains are," Mrs. Laquidara said. "They did not admit that they

have him, only that they would help. "We feel that there is an urgent need

to resolve the case" before any conflict erupts, she said. Sen. Pat

Roberts, Kansas Republican and incoming chairman of the Senate Select

Committee on Intelligence, said in an interview that he has been pressing

the Bush administration to resolve the Speicher case, as preparations for

war are under way."

"Information obtained recently from congressional staff visits to the

region indicate that "more and more there are signs that an American POW is

in Iraq," Mr. Roberts said. He said that with Iraq facing attack, Saddam

may be more willing to help resolve the case. "I think we have a window of

opportunity now, and we should do everything we can to use that" to find

out about Capt. Speicher, Mr. Roberts said."



"He sent a letter to Saddam on Monday appealing for Baghdad's help. Sen.

Bill Nelson, Florida Democrat, told reporters last month that a conflict

with Iraq will make it more difficult to resolve the fate of Capt. Speicher.



"The clock is ticking," Mr. Nelson told the Jacksonville,

Fla., Times-Union. "Once the balloon goes up in a hot war, it's going to

be a lot more difficult to get information. For the Defense Department to

keep dragging their feet, as they have in the past, that time is over."

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"The Defense Department To Keep Dragging Their Feet" Imagine the Defense

Dept. dragging their feet on a POW/MIA matter. Senator Nelson, welcome to

our world!

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Senators Head For Middle East - from the Associated Press, Jan. 17,

2003 "Two senators leaving Saturday for the Middle East say they hope the

trip yields information on the fate of missing Navy pilot Michael Scott

Speicher, whose plane was shot down over Iraq in 1991."

"Sens. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., and Pat Roberts, R-Kan., did not announce their

exact itinerary. "I can tell you that at each step Pat Roberts and I will

be taking up the Speicher issue," Nelson said Friday."

"Nelson and Roberts, now chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, will be

traveling with eight other senators for diplomatic, military and

intelligence briefings prior to a possible war with Iraq. The pair have

been investigating the case of Speicher, an F-18 pilot from Jacksonville

who was originally declared killed in action on the first night of the Gulf

War. He was later reclassified as missing in action."

"Recent intelligence reports indicate Speicher might be alive, Nelson said.

"This could be our best chance to find out what really happened," he said."

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Blast From The Past In recent years Bits N Pieces has acquired many new

readers. Some of those readers may be unfamiliar with the overwhelming

evidence of the capture of American Servicemen during World War II, Korea,

the Cold War, and Vietnam. So, this year we will, occasionally, dig back

into our archives and bring you a "Blast From The Past," information that

leaves no doubt to the conclusion that Servicemen from World War II, Korea,

the Cold War, Vietnam and the Gulf, were left behind and in the cases of

World War II, Korea, and Cold War losses and possibly Vietnam, some of

those men ended up in the gulags of the former Soviet Union.



Korea Blast From The Past Bits 'n' Pieces September 4, 1999 What Did

Dulles Have To Say - We all know about POW's transported through China to

the Soviet Union during the Korean War. We know that several sources

reported on the movement of POWs through Manchouli, China. We know it and

then Secretary of State John Foster Dulles knew it.



A 1954 cable marked "Secret" bearing the name "Dulles," as in John Foster

Dulles, (Note: Cable below is reproduced as is - with all typos and

misspellings) states; "According Despatch 1716 from Hong Kong airpouched

you a recently arrived Greek refugee from Manchuria reported seeing several

hundred American POW's being transferred Chinese trains to Russian trains

Manchouli late 1951 and early 1952. Some POW's wore sleeve insignia

indicating they were Air Force non-coms. Great number Negro troops also

observed. This report corroborates previous indications UNC POW to might

have been shipped to Siberia during Korean hostilities."



"United States has been greatly concerned general subject UNC personnel who

may still be Communist custody. Department has just accepted British offer

make representations Peiping behalf UNC personnel who may be Chinese

Communist custody. Question raising this matter informally Geneva under

careful consideration."



"Unless you perceive objection request you approach highest available level

Foreign Ministry and leave Aide Memoire undicating (sic) reports have now

come attention United States Government which support earlier

indications that American Prisoners of War Korea had been "transported

into Soviet Union and are now Soviet custody. Request fullest possible

information these POW's and their reparation earliest possible time."



"In your discussion with Foreign Office, you may desire inform Soviets

without revealing source that we have reliable accounts transfers POW's

Manchouli."



That's what Dulles had to say in 1954 "we have reliable accounts transfers

POW's Manchouli."

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What was the State Department saying in 1955 - A memo from the office of

the secretary of defense, dated sept. 16th, 1955 and signed by G.B.

Erskine, general USMC, Assistant to the secretary of defense, special

operations, on the subject of Geneva Negotiations on Prisoners of War, states;



1. In accordance with telephonic conversations with representatives

of this office today, it is the position of the Department of Defense

that the Chinese Communists should account to the U.S. for the ultimate

fate of all 450 U.S. armed forces personnel.



2. The names of these individuals were conveyed to the Department of State

and to Ambassador Johnson in July prior to his departure for Geneva. A

further copy is attached hereto.



3. It should be particularly noted that the Department of Defense does not

and has never alleged that any or all of these individuals are now alive or

that they were ever prisoners of war. Rather, it is our position that they

were either captured or killed in action under circumstances in which the

UN forces were unable to determine their fate. Equally, it is our position

that one or another of the elements of the Chinese and/or North Korean

forces were in a position at the time of the incidents concerned to

determine their fate.



4. To cite an example, we have been able to determine through the

interrogation of returned U.S. armed services personnel that some of these

individuals were last seen engaged in combat and completely surrounded by

enemy forces. Whether the individual died during that combat or was taken

prisoner, it is the obligation of the enemy forces under the Geneva

Convention to report upon his fate.



5. In other instances we have been able to determine from the interrogation

of returned prisoners of war that some (perhaps 33) of the individuals

listed in the group of 450 were in fact taken prisoner. For example, we

have sworn testimony that a given individual was seriously wounded, in

"prison camp number 5" on a given date, and was removed by the Chinese

Communists during the night, after which he was never seen again.



6. On the basis of this evidence, we are also in a position to insist that

an accounting for these individuals be rendered. The names of these

individuals are included in the list of 450.



7. There is also evidence based upon radar plots and intercepted voice

messages, as well as upon the recovery of casualties, that a small number

of Air Force crews whose missions involved flights over the Sea of Japan

during the Korean War were shot down by aircraft based in the Soviet Far

East, some of whom are probably held in the Soviet Union. These cases (some

33) are of course not directly relevant to the current negotiations at

Geneva. The missions on which these aircraft were flying, while related to

the Korean War, are highly classified and the names of these individuals

have never been included on any lists for which we have demanded an

accounting from the Chinese Communists.



8. In summary, it is the view of the Department of Defense that the Chinese

Communists should make an accounting for the fate of the entire 450 whose

names have been made available. As a negotiating point it may be added that

at least 33 of these individuals were at one time in POW status. More were

undoubtedly in such status but no positive evidence to that effect is

available to us. In any case, however, we do not consider it desirable to

treat these 33 in any way separately from the entire 450.



9. Some of the 450 may still be alive. However, no positive evidence on

this score is available to us.



10. The Department of Defense has undertaken the most extensive analysis

possible of all of its casualty figures and of the ultimate disposition of

every member of the armed forces who served in Korea. On the basis of this

analysis the above statistics have been developed. However, several million

men served in Korea during the period 1950-53 and it cannot be said to be

impossible that some individuals (who have on the basis of varying evidence

been determined to be dead) may still be held by the Communists.



11. The U.S. should not be surprised, particularly in light of Japanese and

German experiences with the Soviets in World War II, if a number of

completely unrecorded Americans are ultimately found to be alive or to have

been alive and in Communist hands. Such individuals do not appear on the

list of 450 nor on any other list which has ever been presented. Nor is

there any significant evidence available at this time that such individuals

exist. Neither do we suggest that any action can be taken with regard to

this possibility.



12. Your attention is again invited to the undesirability of providing any

information through any source which might lead the next of kin of these

armed forces personnel discussed herein to assume or believe that these

personnel might still be alive and held unless the Communists are prepared

at some point to document such information.

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Real Time - In real time evaluations, it sure sounds like U.S. officials

believed there was creditable evidence of POW transfers to both China and

the former Soviet Union.

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Support of POW/MIA Issue Lands Man In Trouble excerpted from the Beacon

Journal, by Katie Byard, dated January 6, 2003 - "A Summit County man has

gone too far in his effort to memorialize prisoners of war and soldiers

missing in action. So says the Franklin Township zoning inspector."



"Robert Seelbach's memorial in front of his blue wood-frame house features

a 32-square-foot banner paying tribute to Gulf War pilot Michael Scott

Speicher, who has been declared missing in action, and ``all POWs/MIAs

from all wars.'' But zoning inspector Stephen Peroz said the sign is too

big and must come down unless Seelbach gets a variance."



"Seelbach plans to seek such a variance at the Feb. 11 meeting of the

township's Board of Zoning Appeals. In the meantime, Peroz said the sign

can stay. Seelbach, who erected the sign early in the fall, was ``pretty

upset'' to learn that his memorial isn't permitted."



``I just wanted to pay tribute to these men 365 days a year,'' said the Air

Force veteran who coordinates an annual service for POWs and MIAs at the

Western Reserve National Cemetery in Rittman. Peroz said the issue is the

sign's size, not its message."



"I have friends that were in Vietnam,'' Peroz said. ``It's just the size I

have to look at. ``If everybody starts putting out these huge signs, where

does it end?'' The township limits signs in residential areas to 6 square

feet. Many communities have the same or a similar restriction, Peroz said."



"Seelbach, a 40-year-old mechanic, became active in MIA-POW issues a couple

of years ago. He initially wanted to put his message on a permanent

billboard next to a highway, where it would be seen by many motorists. But

the cost was prohibitive, so he opted for a front-yard memorial."



"Seelbach said he checked with a next-door neighbor, who had no objections.

"When I get really into something,'' he said, "I just go ahead and don't

think about the consequences.'' Seelbach paid a banner company to make the

big vinyl sign. He attached it to a wood frame and placed small American

flags underneath it. This spring he plans to plant flowers in front of the

flags."



"Peroz said he learned about the sign in mid-December, when two residents

of the Melody Village subdivision, where Seelbach lives, called to

complain. Seelbach can't understand why the sign would upset

anyone. After all, he said, he hasn't heard any complaints about a

Pittsburgh Steelers sign he hung on a fence in his front yard four years ago."



"Peroz said the 16-square-foot Steelers sign is bigger than zoning

regulations allow, but he doesn't plan to ask Seelbach to take it down.

It's smaller than the memorial sign and attached to a fence, he

noted. But, Peroz said jokingly: ``I think that it should be a felony to

have a Steelers sign in Ohio.''

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The National Alliance of Families extends is deepest appreciation to Roger

Seelbach, for his continued support of our Prisoners of War and Missing In

Action. We commend him in his fight against City Hall, and his dedication

to spreading the word about our POW/MIAs. Thanks Roger.